In times gone by regulatory bodies concerned with drugs were a black box. Decisions were made and conveyed to the public, with little explanation. Other concerns, that were preliminary and yet to be confirmed by further evidence might be delayed. Public engagement with regulators was minimal. For a number of years things have been changing.
The FDA have recently issued their first ever list of items with suspected safety issues identified by their Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS):
The information is being provided under provisions of the Food and Drug Administration Amendments Act, signed into law Sept. 27, 2007. The law requires that FDA inform the public each quarter of new safety information or potential signals of serious risk, based on the agency’s review of adverse event reports contained in AERS.
The appearance of a drug on this list does not mean that FDA has concluded that the drug has the listed risk, or that FDA has identified a causal relationship between the drug and the listed risk. It is on the list only because FDA has identified a potential safety issue.
“My message to patients is this: Don’t stop taking your medicine. If your doctor has prescribed a drug that appears on this list, you should continue taking it unless your doctor advises you differently,” said Janet Woodcock, M.D., director of FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.
The reports to AERS are spontaneous reports from patients and medical staff of suspected adverse events associated with a drug. These reports are essentially hypothesis generating, although they can sometimes led to direct action depending on the nature, and severity, of the reports. The list of drugs involved is here, a fact sheet here, and further explanation is here. There is a danger that the media, or public, could take simplistic messages from the FDA list, but on the other hand openness about such signals may make the media less prone to the “sudden-crisis” story. Most adverse drug reaction issues evolve over a series of months or years as evidence is collected. Some become confirmed. Many are not. Perhaps we will obtain more sober reporting?
Another change is the way that patient groups can engage with regulators. There are dangers in this approach. If the patient group is little more than a quack pressure group, utterly unwilling to have an intelligent informed discussion about real issues then little may be gained. In other cases, engagement may bring real benefits to regulators and patients.
In the UK there have been concerns about withdrawal reactions from SSRI anti-depressants. Andrew Herxheimer discusses this from one perspective at the Canadian Medical Journal. Herxheimer studied patient reports of withdrawal reaction and suicidality associated with paroxetine. The Yellow Card reports referred to in the next paragraph are spontaneous reports of suspected harms submitted to the UK regulator, the same as those submitted to the FDA’s AERS.
Patient reports of ADRs are commonly dismissed as anecdotal or unscientific. However, the collective weight of the patient accounts of experiences with paroxetine therapy was profound. Reports from users and relatives — especially with respect to behavioural effects — communicated information that professional reporters can never be expected to provide. They were far richer, and described suicidality and withdrawal symptoms much more clearly and intelligibly than the Yellow Card reports. The analysis of over a decade’s worth of Yellow Card reports suggests that miscoding and flawed analyses by regulators led to an underestimation of the risk of suicidal behaviour during paroxetine therapy. In some cases, depending on the word the reporter had used in submitting a Yellow Card, different terms were used to classify indistinguishable phenomena (e.g., “withdrawal,” “discontinuation” and “dependence”).
The UK now accepts patient reports at http://www.yellowcard.org.uk.
An example of regulator engagement with a patient group is the report of a meeting with a blogger on the MHRA’s front page. The MHRA met with Bob Fiddaman, who writes the Seroxat Sufferers blog, to discuss withdrawal issues associated with SSRI antidepressants. The report of their meeting is here. It seems to have been an interesting meeting. In the following extract RF is Bob Fiddaman is RF, and SM and KW are senior MHRA staff.
KW asked RF what he thought of the Seroxat PIL’s Section 5, “Stopping Seroxatâ€. Early in the section it says “When stopping Seroxat your doctor will help you to reduce the does slowly …â€. RF felt that this was over-optimistic. He also felt that the advice about dosage reductions of 10mg a week (which SM noted was based on clinical trials) was too large an increment in view of his own experience – he needed to reduce by 1mg a week, only practicable with the liquid – and the experiences of others. And he felt that the signposting to the liquid form, “It may be easier for you to take Seroxat liquid during the time that you are coming off the medicine†was inadequate. SM agreed that steering patients towards the liquid could be made more obvious; and it could be helpful if such a steer was also given to doctors, in some document such as the NICE guidance.
The regulator are obviously listening. Bob thinks so. I have some sympathy, as this blog has on a number of occasions noted Seroxat’s story and the appalling behaviour of GSK. I have less time for Bob Fiddaman’s buying into the supposed HPV vaccine scam, although I suppose his experiences make him more susceptable to such conspiracies theories. He also links to the well known crank anti-vaccine site whale.to on the issue of the “MMR/Autism debacle” as he terms it. Whale.to is a conspiracy website which propagates anti-semitic material, such as the full text of The Protocols of Zion and other material like this:
The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic Rothschild-controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel today.
No one should take anything seriously on the whale.to site, and those who cite it approvingly fall foul of Scopie’s law. It is therefore disappointing, although perhaps understandable to some degree, when individuals who may have legitimate concerns undermine their credibility by buying into all supposed “failings” of the pharmaceutical industry and regulators – regardless of the evidence.
When this blog started 5 years ago, I noted in a brief post about Seroxat the growing influence of user groups. The MHRA have also been paying more attention to the role of the internet and blogs. This summer a Market Research report was produced for the MHRA which looked at blogs and consumer groups. You can download it here [PDF]. It’s an interesting read, and this blog, and many others you might know of, turns up in a diagram of “Top Influencers” (if only).

The executive summary states:
The most influential of the mainstream media – BBC, BMJ, New York Times, and Guardian – rely not on blogs at all but on the official sources of information, government departments, regulators, pharmaceutical companies etc. Bloggers gain their influence from dense links amongst themselves and associated groups like AHRP, and from occasional links from the mainstream media – The Times links to Fiddaman blog, for example.
There are two agendas in the conversation: the official studies into the drug and its efficacy and drawbacks; the second is the experience of patients who have taken the drug and its impact on them, amplified through campaigning sites and bloggers. The two agendas converge only rarely. What this means is that the two groups are to some extent talking amongst themselves.
This is undoubtedly true. To address this the report also advises that the MHRA uses language that the patient group might use, and that information “is available in flat HTML pages and on blog-style urls, for
example mhra.gov.uk/news/is-seroxat-safe”. The MHRA meeting with Bob Fiddaman is a step forward on the first point, although language can be constrained by science and evidence, but the fact the meeting is only available in PDF format on the MHRA website at an the url:
is a sign perhaps that some improvements can still be made.
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The need to reduce a dose by very small amounts sounds more like it is psychosomatic than an actual need. Maybe there are problems at the higher reduction but it seems more sensible to try it and if there are problems move up a dose level for a week or two and try again.
It is very important that those of us who oppose quackery do not err in the direction of uncritical support for the drug companies in the way that legitimate critics of the drug companies sometimes slip into uncritical acceptance of all anti pharma. Ben Goldacre does a good job of tackling this in his new book Bad Science.
Good to see you, badscience.net and MP Paul Flynn on there along with Blumsohn’s Scientific Misconduct on the list of influences. Disappointing but predictable that whale.to, theoneclickgroup and aboutsalt are also there.
Very interesting shift of attitudes towards blogs. It will be interesting to see how broadening the pool of people who can report ADRs will work.
I have problems with Paul Flynn MP. He has an extremely poor understanding of the systems he criticises. He considers the Yellow Card scheme to be “ramshackle, does not work and is hopelessly ineffective”. Comments like that show him to be an ignorant on a subject he is considered by some to be an expert on.
Flynn approaches to the drug industry and regulation appear to come from a purely politic perspective (i.e. industry are the devil incarnate, the MHRA their lapdog), which means that on some issues he is correct, and on others he is extremely wrong. Immediately after the TGN1412 story broke he made comments blaming it on big Pharma revealing his prejudices. It was a small German firm.
Contrast that with Ben Goldacre who criticises industry from a scientific perspective. Ben manages to critique the industry and quacks without crossing over the line of reason. Others fail, falling for conspiracy theories.
I wonder why Blumsohn, who I covered on this blog and was in contact with before he started his blog, links to Fiddaman in his side bar. Fiddaman is currently hosting a You Tube video which suggests HPV is a conspiracy. I think some sidebar hygiene is in order.
And look at the recent email he has received after he asked from help with his list of pharmaceutical companies:
I think we should criticise quacks and the industry on exactly the same basis. However, you need to be very aware when your criticism has left the realms of scientific discussion and crossed over into quackery. Perhaps some of the supportive comments you receive could form part of that introspection.
On the plus side Flynn is correct on Rath and Holford, which is good.
But he is tragically wrong about Afghanistan. He apparently does not have solidarity with the Afghan people’s attempt to maintain their freedom from totalitarian zealots.